Does God Exist

dovad16 Says:

Apr 17, 2008 - Interesting word study. From my beliefs, God cannot be 'made to' do anything which he/she doesn't elect to do. We cannot see thoughts, only words which express them. Being spirit, and not anthropomorphic, I picture God as being "Thought" which works through words (laws) and actions. Thus we have the "law" of gravity, etc. Human eyes only perceive reflected light off of objects and cannot see spirit. I.E., I see your image on this channel, but have not and will never "see" you.

prer0gative Says:

Apr 17, 2008 - I think any all-knowing being would certainly know that by NOT standing forward, it gives people every reason not to believe it's there. Excellent video.

keith1y Says:

Apr 29, 2008 - Yes, he has on several occasions. When he appeared to the Jewish nation at mount Sinai they were so terrified that God said he would not do it again, instead he would send a prophet. Jesus is the image of the invisible God, and stood out for all to see, of course the religious were upset by that and had him killed.

zthustra Says:

Apr 30, 2008 - The Bible does exist, both the New and the Old Testaments. But does the existance of the Bible mean that God exists? Couldn't the Bible have been writen by human beings? According to the Bible, it was not God (Elohim/Theos) that came down from Mount Sinai, it was the LORD (YHWH). Other documents from history record that Zeus came down from Mount Olympus and Jupiter came down from Mount Ida. Should we conclude that the existance of some old text means that Zeus and Jupiter really exist too?

keith1y Says:

Apr 30, 2008 - On the one hand you say God has to show himself to exist. On the other hand any historical account is considered fictitious. The dice are kind of loaded here, its heads you win and tails I lose.

zthustra Says:

May 2, 2008 - This might be a strawman argument. First, I did not invent the definition of "exist". The Bible "exists" because it can be brought out of hiding and placed in plain view to be scrutinized and examined. God does not exist because God cannot be brought out of hiding and placed in plain view, etc.

zthustra Says:

May 2, 2008 - Also, I did not say that "any", and by implication "all", text from historical antiquity are fictitious. I only pointed out that other documents that are historically ancient have other supernatural beings in them that come down from mountains. It is up to you to decide why you believe that your choice of supernatural being exists and other supernatural beings do not.

keith1y Says:

May 2, 2008 - Its not a decision I need to make. I have met God. However he has chosen to limit himself by your freewill choice. If you load the dice you get the result you want.

keith1y Says:

May 8, 2008 - Oh, and God CAN be brought out of hiding and placed in plain view... to anyone who has used their free will choice to seek him and not reject him a priori. Scientists cannot measure x-rays with a ruler, neither can they find a non-physical God with any physical sensor. Where does God come out of hiding? The answer is in your emotions, in your deepest pain This is a context in which God who is Love can make himself known WHEN INVITED. Thats all you have to do is ASK he is not hiding he is waiting

dsego84 Says:

Jun 24, 2008 - maybe it was satan pretending to be god ;-D

dovad16 Says:

Jul 10, 2008 - Your individual experience is one that was experientially earned. This for you should be more valid than the dead expositories of scripture. Good for you.

zthustra Says:

Jul 11, 2008 - I suspect that if I ask you to define the word "met" in the context of this comment, it would not be the exprtession of a "real" meeting, but a metaphorical expression, or perhaps some kind of metaphysical meeting. Oddly, many of you intimately know the mind of of the deity called God, because you are personally informed as to why this deity is not manifesting himself to me. I suspect that some of you are better experts at loading the dice than I am. I just read the book as it was written.

keith1y Says:

Jul 14, 2008 - It we were to define a scale of 1 to 10 as to the definition of "met". 1 being an inspired thought, to 10 being a face to face encounter with Christ on the throne of heaven as reported by Rick Joyner amongst others. I can place my experience in the 7-8 bracket, being down to earth and definitely not metaphysical.

zthustra Says:

Jul 16, 2008 - To make the argument in favor of belief appear rational the defintitions of the words used have to be ignored. If I told you that I "met" Mel Gibson, you would instantly assume that I had a real, face-to-face encounter with the actor. But if I told you that I "met" God, you would know that I did not have a real, face-to-face encounter, but you would feel obligated to give the statement the same credibility as if I had. There is no scale, either you have or have not actually met God.

keith1y Says:

Jul 16, 2008 - So when I use the word "met", do you assume the opposite of its actual meaning? Yes I have met God in face to face encounters. However for various reasons due to the professional context in which this occurred, I am not at liberty to describe the encounters in more detail. Met means met.

zthustra Says:

Jul 17, 2008 - Since you (keith1) have met God, the only begotten Son of the unbegotten Father described in the Bible, face to face, in the same manner that any person might meet another person, you have excellent evidence in favor of a personal belief in the reality of God. God isn't doing that trick for most people, so please don't blame the rest of us for being skeptical, both of the reality of God and the reality of your personal experience.

keith1y Says:

Jul 17, 2008 - I understand your point,I was an atheist until the age of 23.I can also compare my experience with other recorded instances, both biblical & contemporary,& lend my support to validate many of them. To reiterate, he is not in hiding, if you seek you will find, this is a promise he made. However applying a purely material definition of existence limits the observation of non-material things. Does "justice" exist? Does "love" exist? In Gods case the question is "does 'Love' have a personality?".

keith1y Says:

Jul 17, 2008 - If you have any unusual angelic or spiritual encounter you should always test its source. Instructions for testing are given in 1 John 4v1. Satan's minons do occasionally try to pretend to be God (who is 100% good), but they (being 100% evil) are not very good at it. More frequently they do pretend to be angels, and many many people are easily duped, simply because they do not apply the test. (i.e. apparitions of Mary, Joseph Smiths angel etc. are all deceptions) True angels are very discrete.