Añadido: Jul 4, 2008
De: limegreensquid
Duración: 10:1
Just my response to this hilarious attempt at throwing falacies at logic to try to make people think the logic is flawed. Now, the video's title is "Religion - The Top 10 Reasons to Destroy It" but the content of the video is actually a christian arguement against 4 supposed Atheistic Falacies (aka, logic that christians can't truly find a way around), and i just wanted to respond to those. And hey, i'm wearin' a shirt this time! But anyway, I seriously hope that the 4 Atheistic Falacies video is a joke - because it made me laugh hard at the silly, flawed logic - again trying to debunk atheistic "falacies" by throwing MORE falacies at at it. But if the creator of that video was actually serious, and it was not intended as a satire, then i really felt the need to respond. People who seriously think and reason in the way the creator of that video does are in obvious need of true education. It's a scary prospect that so many people are so completely blinded... and that they are given respect for being selectively ignorant...
Categoría: Entertainment
Tags: atheism atheist belief bible christ christian god islam jesus jew jewish muslim religion
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ShaundalynChic Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - "but jesus will remove that punishment as long as i believe, i can murder and steal" When we talk about belief, we don't mean some intellectual or academic belief. We mean more like following Jesus, trying to be like him and what he wants us to be. So yes, you could have a weak moment and steal something and be forgiven. But it isn't like a get out of jail free card where you can be selfish and just do whatever you want, rather than trying to do what Jesus wants you to do.
ShaundalynChic Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - "Well, if you're not punished for not having faith, then what's the point of doing so?" Because you will be punished for your sins. The point of having faith, beliving in Jesus and accepting him, is it is a way for forgiveness of those sins. I am just emphasizing it is the sin that punishment is for. "You can be a good person but will still go to hell if you don't believe." Being generally a good person isn't enough. Even generally good people have sins. Over a lifetime quite a few.
limegreensquid Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - But don't you see? That is a round-about way of saying you will be punished for not believing! You have to admit that! It adds an unnecessary requirement to something people will generally do anyway - people have EVOLVED to have morality, it wasn't given by any gods - this god decides to make us imperfect and then sends us to hell for being imperfect. It's not a loving thing to do. Just throw it all away - it's a waste of brain-space. And for all we know you're worshipping the wrong god.
ShaundalynChic Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - "That is a round-about way of saying you will be punished for not believing! You have to admit that" It is just more accurate the other way. A comparison. Sin is like smoking in bed. Faith in Jesus is like a firetruck that can come and save your house. You wouldn't say: "my house burned down because I didn't have a firetruck (faith)". No, it burned down because of smoking in bed (sin). If you had the firetruck (faith), maybe you would be saved from the fire caused by your smoking in bed (sin)
limegreensquid Says:
Jul 8, 2008 - But all the same you might not. Faith doesn't give a person anything, but a healthy dose of selective ignorance toward reality. With that reasoning then we'd have to have faith in every god that could possibly save us just in case we're talking to the wrong one, because only idiots can claim to know something no human has any possibiliity of knowing.
ShaundalynChic Says:
Jul 8, 2008 - "because only idiots can claim to know something no human has any possibiliity of knowing." But jesus actually knew. he was at the creation of the world. He came to earth. His disciples knew. They saw him walk on water, raised the dead and other miracles, not to mention just his message. We have their accounts and I believe them. It makes sense to me. The other supposed gods are pale reflections.
limegreensquid Says:
Jul 8, 2008 - All gods including the jesus are pale reflections of human wishes. A book that plagiarized religious rituals that predate the book by thousands of years doesn't convince any thinker of anything. How can we know their words about jesus are correct, when each has inconsistencies, and the first words written about him were 30 years after his supposed death - if he even existed, which his story can only tell intelligent people that he did not. No historian recorded any of it as it happened.
ShaundalynChic Says:
Jul 8, 2008 - "All gods including the jesus are pale reflections of human wishes." That is true of gods like Mars that promise aid in battle. The NT tells you to love your neighbor and forgive him. Tells you when asked to carry a sack for a mile, volunteer to go two miles. To use your funds to help the poor. I don't see human desires reflected in it at all. Over and over it promises suffering if you follow Jesus like in 2 Timothy 1:8 "... But join with me in suffering for the gospel...".
ShaundalynChic Says:
Jul 8, 2008 - A book that plagiarized religious rituals that predate the book by thousands of years" Sorry, if you can't tell the differences between Jesus and the falcon headed warrior-God Horus, you just haven't studied what Jesus taught.
limegreensquid Says:
Jul 8, 2008 - I'm sorry for you, because you're only focusing on one of the hundreds of gods/messiahs that predate jesus but follow the same astrological story. You're only studying a book written by people who wanted to promote their own human needs - history is written by the victor - and all victories in christianity and judaism have always been the bloodiest. The figure they named "Jesus" probably cast out all belief in the jewish god, but his words were re-written 30 years after death, to submit.
limegreensquid Says:
Jul 8, 2008 - The figure renamed "jesus christ" was most likely someone who stopped believing in god, but was a wise person (some history points to a carpenter and his son visiting india, and the son learning from the Buddha of the time about peace and humility, during the years unaccounted for in the bible of jesus's life) - no wise person holds onto a hateful god while preaching love. I am sure if the original man was alive today he'd be sickened by what his name means now to most people.
ShaundalynChic Says:
Jul 8, 2008 - The figure renamed "jesus christ" was most likely someone who stopped believing in god" That would conflict with all that we know about him, and all they we have recorded that he said.
ShaundalynChic Says:
Jul 8, 2008 - You are the one that brought up Horus. Most of those who you say "promote their own human needs" were killed for writing and telling this about Jesus. I don't see that promoting their needs. As for "probably cast out all belief in the jewish god" that would take a conspiracy far greater than the weird 9/11 conspiracies tossed around today. Hundreds of authors all over the Roman Empire would have to be involved. Why did not a one of them balk and write about this conspiracy to alter Jesus?
limegreensquid Says:
Jul 9, 2008 - No it wouldn't, because everything written about him, everything supposedly quoted by him was written 30 years AFTER he died by people who only wished to further their own religious career. If anything, everything points directly to that - because NONE, ZERO of the historians that lived around the time and in the area that jesus supposedly lived recorded a single word about him. Just 3 historians who were proven to be falsified.
limegreensquid Says:
Jul 9, 2008 - It may not necessarily require a conspiracy, but a ball rolling faster and faster because of how violent christians were willing to be to get their religion spread throughout the world. Mixed with people hiding the actual truth about events, bolstering the beliefs of jesus just enough to elevate themselves into places of power, and then abuse the power and jesus' name (again if he existed, and his name never was "Jesus Christ" which is another lie) using the rules to govern the weak-minded.
ShaundalynChic Says:
Jul 9, 2008 - Sure it would. There isn't a single letter from early Christianity out there saying "Jesus didn't believe in the Hebrew God anymore" like you suggest. We have thousands of letters in the 1st and 2nd century written by Christians. many who knew eaqrly Christians. Some have unusual claims that contradict others, like believing Jesus being more devine or less devine, but none I have seem say anything like what you suggest. Most of the letters are by honorable men, you can see it in their writing.
babri62 Says:
Jul 11, 2008 - Hard to understand why after thousands of years of appearing & dropping bread from sky to Moses,appearing to Abraham, Mohammed and Jesus etc, and doing it big with genocide, floods, locusts and other nasty acts, God, out of the blue, stops making public appearances as soon as we develop helpful global mass coverage like, free-press, cameras, internet etc!
bummyjim Says:
Jul 16, 2008 - good on ya mate, very nice responce
limegreensquid Says:
Jul 16, 2008 - Thank you very much!
gamerman001 Says:
Jul 21, 2008 - religion causes conflict in the world i hate it thats why i dont have religeion im not athiest either
mathormyth Says:
Jul 29, 2008 - Oh no! You misunderstand things. God simply hates starving children, that's why they are all covered with yucky diseases.
Funerapolis666 Says:
Aug 1, 2008 - Great video! The world needs more logical people like yourself.
Lekiwi33 Says:
Aug 3, 2008 - if you dont have a religion you are athiest..no question..an athiest is a non-believer
finchfrance Says:
Aug 4, 2008 - "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." Steven Weinberg
limegreensquid Says:
Jul 7, 2008 - Well, if you're not punished for not having faith, then what's the point of doing so? You can be a good person but will still go to hell if you don't believe. That is punishment for not believing. You guys have such twisted logic. And then, you're also telling me that it's a get out of jail free card. I'll be punished for my sins, but jesus will remove that punishment as long as i believe, i can murder and steal and be fine as long as i believe - but i'll be punished for sins, but not. See?