ramonswife Says:
May 17, 2008 - do you know what revisions mean in the lds church? people who dont understand or know what it means and take it a different way therefor "revisions" i.e. explinations of the meanings are put forth, no one is denying that SOME of the teachings are similar, but thats what satan does, takes truth and twists it! "sister brides" were not treated or "dealt with" the way they are in the flds like they were in the lds, u must understand why things were to understand they are different then us
ramonswife Says:
May 17, 2008 - but the main point of this is, is that they branched off from the church and have created many books on teachings that are NOT mormon doctorine, so just because they follow some of the origional things that joseph smith did doesnt make them the same, infact it makes them different, we follow God not man and they are following a man not what God is revealing, infact saying a handful of differences is inncorrect its a handful of similarities in the way joseph did things
ramonswife Says:
May 17, 2008 - who is this woman? is she God? is she the end all say all? I DONT THINK SO, thats like saying who was more like abraham moses or elijah? each prophet of God is given different directions to continue Gods work, not let a man call him and copy and add too what another man did, no GOD desides what needs to happen. So frankly why should people listen to those that are not called of God for the answers? this video was a waste of time, her oppinion is not Gods God knows better
ramonswife Says:
May 17, 2008 - does the lds church have beds in there temples? i think not! its funny how i can go on and on about the differences and the important ones about how its not Gods way and you and this video have already summed up the couple of similarities with his teaching and josephs, its like if i was to look at president monson and say he always wheres hats it must be how we must live our lives always LETS ALL GO BUY HATS!
fincenMIB Says:
May 17, 2008 - And you of course are LDS! I told the author of this video folks like you would be coming soon. Its called "Circle the wagond, we are under attack". Warren Jeffs is a mirror of Joseph Smith and before you place postings up here your church will ask you to remove, talk to Dale Bills and Mike Otterson to see if they want the dirty linen discussed where the media can follow the thread! The FLDS exist because they are the TRUE Mormons, they have gone on ignored, because of LDS attorneys!
ramonswife Says:
May 17, 2008 - its funny because i say to my church friends everyday someone that is ignorant to the true teachings will be posting non sense up here!, don't you worry about me OF COURSE I'M LDS! like I said it doesn't matter that he follows some of what Joseph did because Joseph is not the end all!he never said to always practive polygamy infact it said suffice for the time being... the few similarities do not make up for all the differences, both sides would agree, and also THE CHURCH IS TRUE!
fincenMIB Says:
May 17, 2008 - Elder Steven Snow, General authority of the LDS church was the hired FLDS attorney for Johanson vs Fischer in 1988, forcing 4 recruited little girls into a life of polygamy. They were Vonnie, Jannelle, Julia & Deanne. The 2 boys were Taylor & wayne. Elder Snow got $400,000. in blood money for that case. The money was so good in 1991, Snow and Nuffer became the Contract Attorneys for Polygamous Colorado City until 2001. Mike Leavitt made Nuffer a Judge! Snow & Nuffer worked for the DA, the Lw
fincenMIB Says:
May 17, 2008 - Here's the deal! I have atleast 40 Jeffs videos up that the reader can check out under fincenMIB and I have enough Jeffs doctrine to put up 3300 of his audios if this gets into a grudge match I can make my point. I have added 60 YouTube videos in the last week on the efforts of Utah & Arizona to consider decriminalizing polygamy, don't take my word listen to Utah elected officials who are also LDS! I worked in child abuse rescues, just like Flora and it was local authority that blind eyed
ramonswife Says:
May 17, 2008 - thats wonderful! i do agree with what you are doing... except when you try to take down LDS with you, see the point is very simple, u can look back all u want, but God is the unltimate source, so in following the way the church was set up, Mormonism is going where it should be rightfully. flds are different like it or not despite any similar old teachings that were inplace for that time not forever, its plain to see in the D&C but keep up what ur doing loose the hate
fincenMIB Says:
May 17, 2008 - Here is a simple one for you, when will authorities stop the Kingstons? They live amongst you in SLC. They practise the "pure seed" doctrine of incest to expand their progeny. They have 750 million in Utah businesses. Everyone knows they exist around them and most know about MaryAnn Kingston. So actions speak louder than empty words, STOP THE ABUSES, government authorities in Utah are 90% LDS. Lobby to stop the abuses, and we have nothing to complain about, I DARE YOU! You won't, you can't!
fincenMIB Says:
May 17, 2008 - Don't fight me, fight abuse and defuse my arguement! As viewers are my witness, you will fight me instead! I figure there are 100,000 polygamist in Utah, Idaho & Montana. The LDS church via voters and public officials have the power to force change, but won't, why is that? The Kingstons, Allreds/AUB, Jim Harmston, Fred Collier, Gerald Peterson Group, Centeenial Park, LeBaron's and on and on, all in Utah, but "0" enforcement, WHY? Its not legal, but why is it ignored? Can you answer?
fincenMIB Says:
May 17, 2008 - Its not about hate, its about 87 affidavits in 1987 offered in a DPS state of Arizona investigation by Deputy State attorney Jameson who tried to decertify a corrupt Polygamous Police Chief, but public officials who just happened to be LDS wrote statements of support, causing us to wait 21 years for Texas to do what utah failed too. 40 from Law Enforcement, many wrote letters on letterhead, defending child rapist! In there, but later Senator Orrin Hatch at a March 2003 Town Hall meeting!
ramonswife Says:
May 17, 2008 - so your telling me that a lds members mistakes makes it not of God? did God write the letters? frankly its not about protecting anyone, who are we to go into another church and do anything? should mormons also be responsible for going in and stopping the catholic priests who molest and rape boys? no there is a way to go about things, i believe it should be stopped but its not mormonism's fault for anything that goes on in other people churchs
fincenMIB Says:
May 17, 2008 - Powerful LDS church members defended the FLDS now in the news, the abuses existed before, but the media had not built into the current frenzy back in 1987. Victims especially women were hunted down like animals and returned with the help of local LDS members, I am prepared to name names. If need be, I can make up a YouTube video of the State affidavits of those that ran intereference for this cult, do we agree they are a cult? You know what a affidavit is don't you?
fincenMIB Says:
May 17, 2008 - Local civil authorities should enforce the law nothing more, you are waffling now! Public elected officials should do their job without bias or step aside. I lived in Utah 10 years, was the FKS child abuse Prevention rep. and dealt with public officials that knew the law, but ignored it, some for money! Before blindly debating me, which is what you are doing, go do your homework! Look up Jeffs vs stubbs the 22 family class action lawsuit that occured between 1987 to 1998. Get court doc's.
ramonswife Says:
May 17, 2008 - you are not listening to me i agree, but just because they were mormon doesnt mean they speak for the church... bottom line your mistakes are your mistakes, its not right what they did i'm not defending them or debating blindly im simply stating dont blame the church for peoples mistakes its horrible and wrong, i should know im the LAST one to defend perverts and im not defending them or anyone who protects them im just saying its not lds church's fault
fincenMIB Says:
May 17, 2008 - I have 550 of Warrens audios, the ones you have heard in the press, many came from me. Those used to convict Warren Jeffs, mailed to DA Brock Belnap a decent and more honest LDS attorney. I had no use for the string of DA's before Brock who allowed abuses. Jon Krakauers book "Under The Banner of Heaven", I am in the credits, I loaned 14 FLDS doctrine books to Jon in 2002. You and others are anxious to debate what Warren is or isn't, but liitle access to his teachings.
fincenMIB Says:
May 17, 2008 - Bottom line, its too simple, change the future! In Utah mainstream mormons/LDS have the dominant vote, its a fact! Apply pressure on your elected officials who are 75-90% LDS church members, to simply enforce the law, instead of ignoring it. I was on the County Gang-Drug task force, a Utah UGIA member and being the 10-25% we did not have the power to simply demand that laws on the books be enforced. If the church wants to change our image of them, then ACTIONS, not hollow words!
ramonswife Says:
May 17, 2008 - good for u....
ramonswife Says:
May 17, 2008 - the church doesnt want to get in the middle of another religion, do you really think its smart for the lds church to deside another churchs fate based off of annonymous calls and such? im sorry but the lds church does NOT tell its members what to do politically so frankly its up to peoples own thoughts what they want to do yes they should do something about it the church no we do not tell our members how to vote its not right neither is this but thats up to people in general not the church
fincenMIB Says:
May 18, 2008 - Flora was abused by her father and DFS St. George child councilor told her father and uncle, who claimed she seduced her dad, afterall men can't be responsible. Her life was worse. Then in 2001 when flora's little sister Ruby ran at 14, after being married off, it was DFS Gene Ashdown that would lie and return the child back into harms way. I was there and recorded it. There was a policy to return runaways and allow the abusers to self police them selves, sounds like your arguement now!
ramonswife Says:
May 18, 2008 - like i said ITS HORRIBLE dang personal experience can tell you i think anyone who could do that to a child should be punished severally but the good news God will punish them.. my point is never changing what is it have to do with the LDS church? we do not get involved politically as a whole its up to each individual to do the right thing, if he did the wrong thing thats his fault not the church
fincenMIB Says:
May 18, 2008 - Then why do elected officials in Utah, that just happen to be LDS refuse to enforce laws pertaining to abuses in polygamy? Here in California I was assured by OCJP that they would of put a stop to this practise years ago. Its not the religion issue, but the abuses. Ron Barton, then Jim Hill? what 2 investigators for the entire state of Utah. The Olympics had thousands of paid and non paid supporters. But there is little will to address the abuses, its merely a fact and one that causes anger
mickeynkay Says:
Jun 1, 2008 - Thank you so much for posting all these videos. People should listen to you more, because you are one of the few who really know what you're talking about. Flora and Carolyn are my heroes!
ramonswife Says:
May 17, 2008 - and also, we believe that a prophet must be called of God not bloodline... thats what they have practiced and we NEVER practiced that, also we dont believe in being seperate from the world, we can be missionaries that way, it was only necessary to have towns when there were few and they were buildign the church but even then some mormons lived outside the towns when joseph was alive also we dont have woman have a child every year, infact i only have one so far and by count i would have 3 in flds