The Real Genesis

Tommycancan Says:

Jun 19, 2008 - Sorry didn't see your comment. We do know the universe is not eternal from the principle of entropy. The Second Law of Thermodynamics. Matter and energy decrease through time. Matter and energy are not eternal. Since nothing comes from nothing, something other than matter and energy must have existed before matter and energy.

Drewdood Says:

Jun 19, 2008 - "We do know the universe is not eternal from the principle of entropy." Wow this comment is so completely wrong it's astounding. Maybe you should read the FIRST law of thermodynamics which states matter and energy cannot be destroyed. That kind of makes it hard for the second law to be about the destruction of matter and energy, no? Maybe instead of parroting idiotic creationist dribble you should put forth the effort to learn about these concepts from actual scientists.

Tommycancan Says:

Jun 21, 2008 - Philosophical naturalism can only provide 3 explanations for the existence of the universe. 1.The universe is merely an illusion.-I think we can agree that is wrong. 2. The universe sprang from nothing."nothing comes from nothing, nothing ever could". 3. The universe eternally existed.-Again the law of entropy, which predicts a universe that eternally existed would have died an eternity ago of heat loss. There is a 4th. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" Genesis 1:1

Drewdood Says:

Jun 21, 2008 - "Again the law of entropy..." Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Entropy does not contradict an eternal universe for several reasons. One of which is that in the singularity, before the Big Bang, there is very little matter (perhaps none); matter is required for heat flow; heat flow is required for entropy. The hypothesis is that the universe expanded from a symmetrical entropy-less state thus circumventing the 2nd law. There was no entropy before the Big Bang.

Drewdood Says:

Jun 21, 2008 - Now, this is only one possible hypothesis, at this time we simply don't know. Our human minds may never comprehend what was going on before the expansion of space-time. But, this does not imply that just because you can make up an answer with no supporting evidence it should be taken seriously. I could just as easily say magic unicorns created the universe with pixie dust. It is an explanation, but I think we can both agree not a very good one. And without evidence, neither is yours.

Tommycancan Says:

Jun 22, 2008 - The magic unicorn w/pixie dust theory. Astounding! Open the Bible and read! God reveals himself. There is a spirit in a man that thinks he is more important than he is. It makes his mind god. "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation"? Job 38:4

Drewdood Says:

Jun 22, 2008 - "magic unicorn w/pixie dust theory. Astounding!" Oh yes much less plausible than "magic man done it". "Open the Bible and read!" Open the Śruti and read! "man that thinks he is more important than he is" This "spirit" is called religion. I have no delusion that the universe was made for me, or that the creator of the universe has a plan and cares for me. Who is the one with the false sense of importance? "Job" A very interesting book. God betting with Satan over a man's soul. How nice.

Tommycancan Says:

Jun 22, 2008 - "The Creator of the universe has a plan and cares for me". We can finally agree 100%! "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life". John 3:16. God took care of our sin so we can be with him. It's a free gift, all you have to do is receive it.

Drewdood Says:

Jun 23, 2008 - "We can finally agree 100%!" I guess you needed to practice your quote mining eh? "John 3:16" Well since we've gone from thermodynamics to quoting scripture I'm just going to assume you've admitted defeat. Of course you'll never say that, even though everything you've said has been shown to be nonsense it doesn't matter because you believe it because you believe it. It is a sad sight to see a person so willingly disregard their reason. Oh well, some people just cannot be helped. Goodbye.

dnHooligan Says:

Jun 26, 2008 - hmmm. i still don't see where a living organism came from inanimate mass.

Drewdood Says:

Jun 26, 2008 - watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg

dnHooligan Says:

Jun 26, 2008 - thank ya.

dnHooligan Says:

Jun 26, 2008 - loved the video, but there was sort of a propagadist tactic used at 3:02-3:07 when it says "organic molecules are actually quite common in space" organic is living, and that is what i question. where did the organic matter come from?

Drewdood Says:

Jun 26, 2008 - "organic is living, and that is what i question. where did the organic matter come from?" When scientists use the term "organic molecules" or "organic compounds" all it means is any chemical compound that contains carbon (with a few exceptions). For instance methane is 1 carbon atom and 4 hydrogen atoms and is thus an organic compound. Why atoms form bonds with each other requires some quantum physics that honestly I don't understand. ;)

dnHooligan Says:

Jun 26, 2008 - brilliant. i need to watch that video again. thank you. -NaMaSTe-

forthreisch Says:

Jul 7, 2008 - Mr Hooligan, Why don't you have a look at abiogenesis then.

dnHooligan Says:

Jul 7, 2008 - i did. it was quite enlightening.

forthreisch Says:

Jul 7, 2008 - Very well then :)

lelyanaa Says:

Jul 19, 2008 - In the Holy Quran,God speaks about thestages of man's embryonic development:(We created man from an extract of clay.Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement,firmly fixed.Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech,suspended thing, and blood clot),then We made the alaqah into a mudghah(chewed substance)(Quran, 23:12-14)

lelyanaa Says:

Jul 19, 2008 - (verily ,it is Allah who causes the seed- grain and the fruit-stone (like date-stone)to splite and sprout.he brings forth the living from the dead,and it is he who brings forth the dead from the living.such is Allah,then how are you deluded away from the truth?)Quraan 6:95

askegg Says:

Jul 20, 2008 - I have (nor have you I dare say) seen a man "created from an extract of clay". This claim is also not restricted to Islam, for example Christianity makes the same idiotic notion. The rest is rather easy to observe using primitive medical means that was surely available to the world 2,000 years ago. Take a step back and think about WHY you believe the claims of the Quran are true, yet claims of other "holy books" are not. I suspect you might find faith alone at the centre of your viewpoint.

askegg Says:

Jul 20, 2008 - "verily ,it is Allah who cause..." Why Allah? Why not Zeus, Vishu, Xenu or Yahweh? You have as much evidence for any of those god's as you do for yours - you just use a different label for your ignorance.

lelyanaa Says:

Jul 20, 2008 - Zeus, Vishu, Xenu or Yahweh!These men! of the ignorant who do not worship Allah We are not worshipping MEN, we worship Allah "Allah is the personal name of the One true God Let there be no doubt - Muslims worship the God of Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus - (peace be upon them all)."In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate. Say (O Muhammad) He is God the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone."Quraan

askegg Says:

Jul 21, 2008 - "Zeus, Vishu, Xenu or Yahweh!These men! of the ignorant who do not worship Allah We are not worshipping MEN, we worship Allah" None of the supposed gods I mentioned were men, so you have failed right out of the gate. Secondly, I don't care what label you give your god. I don't care if you call him Vishnu, Yahweh, Zeus, or Allah. They are just words for a failed concept. There is NO evidence for a divine creator, let alone a loving, all powerful, personally interested one.

Metalcultistmike Says:

Jul 24, 2008 - Beautiful, majestic, awe-inspiring. Thanks for this, askegg!